The Power of Pain: How to Turn Your Struggles into Strengths | Ray Cash Care
In the high-stakes world of Navy SEALs, Ray "Cash" Care carved out a storied career, completing multiple combat zone tours and mastering high and low-profile security protection for various government agencies. Following his departure from the SEAL Teams and CIA, Ray channeled his battle-hardened wisdom into self-improvement, team building, and organizational transformation. Today, he is a respected expert and speaker on topics ranging from fitness to building high-performance teams.
In this episode we discuss:
– Why pain is a privilege.
– How vulnerability is a superpower.
– Your body is your resumé.
– The one thing that stands between you and success.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:00:01]
Welcome to the Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show where I believe a healthy world is based on transparent conversations.
Please be advised this episode contains graphic and sensitive topics and conversation.Welcome to the Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show, and I’m so thrilled to bring you this episode. Why? I sit down withRay Cash Care, former Navy SEAL and CIA agent. In this mind-blowing episode, we discuss how pain is a privilege and how you can leverage pain to become successful in life.We also talk about how vulnerability is a strength.In fact, vulnerability is a superpower. Finally, we discuss how your body is your resume and what that means.
In the high stakes world of Navy SEALs, Ray Cash Care carved out a storied career, completing multiple combat tours and mastering high- and low-profile security protection for various government agencies. Following his departure from the SEAL teamsand CIA,Ray channeled his battle-hardened wisdom into self-improvement, team building, and organizational transformation. Today, he’s a respected expert and speaker on topics ranging from fitness to building high performance teams. There are so many good statements in this episode. I encourage you to listen to it not once, but twice and listen deeply to the nuggets that Ray CashCaredrops.
Ray Cash Care is now an entrepreneur and a speaker, and we will include where you can find him. Without further ado,let’s dive into this episode. As always, this episode is free of charge. The fee is pay it forward.
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Ray Cash Care,thank you so much for coming on the Dr. Gabrielle Lyon Show.You are an amazinghuman, formerNavy SEAL, some other letters which I think that you should talk about,and just trulyan embodiment of wellness and fitness and fortitude. You didn’t even pay me to say any of those things.
Ray Cash Care [0:05:01]
We don’t even have to go on. I’ll just end it right there.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:05:04]
This has been a great episode. Thank you so much. Tellthe listener a little bit about you, and by the way, you and I have known each other for years. But the listener might not know you, and I’m so excited to share you with my audience.
Ray Cash Care [0:05:17]
Yes, so let’s see, known asRay CashCare, going on 52 years young. Fitness is a lifestyle thanks to you. Former Navy SEAL, spent some time in the Navy doing some things that I’m proud of to serve and defend mycountry. Shifted focus from there, went over to the CIA. I can say that now because I’m no longer with them. I spent 14 years defending the nation againstthe war on terrorism, doing some things I was proud of, some things I wasn’t proud of, then switched over and took my chances at the entrepreneur world, which is what I’m still doing right now. I’mmarried, got two great kids. I got a hot ass wife, who’s a patient of yoursas I am. We are just living life to the fullest. I’m doing speaking. I’m doing corporate training. I’m doing couples training, part owner of a gun company, living the American dream.I love it. The one thing I like to tell everybody is, I’m one of the few peoples on planet earth that love getting older. So that’s who I am.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:06:28]
Boom,as you say, about getting older. I want to circle back to that. Tell me a little bit about,it doesn’t have to be long, but a little bit about your upbringing and why you decided to go into the SEAL teams, what that was like, and then into the CIA, so people can get to know youbecause here’s what I know about you. You are an incredibly capable human in some of the most dire situations.
Ray Cash Care [0:06:55]
It’s funny, I was just talking to a mutual friend of ours, Mr. Tim Grover. I told him,and I love his platform, what he says is, you’re not a motivational speaker, you want to be an elevational speaker. I’m actually a pain coach. To circle back, my childhood was full of pain and suffering and abuse. I could sit here and play the victim about it. But instead, there was a moment in time, I was roughly 17 years old, where I don’t believe in flipping the switch on and off. I believe in flipping it on when the time is ready and just leaving it on. So I flipped it on when I was 17, and I haven’t turned it off since. All I do is I take the pain, the suffering, the anguish that I went through, and I just compare it tothings that I do nowadays.Like if you’re in war, you’re standing over someone, they’re bleeding out, I remember where I came from. I’m like, if I could get through that, I can get you through this. All I do is I use pain as my platform to success. That’smy secret. That’s what I’ve done.A lot of other people, they run from it, they avoid it. I embrace it.
My father was murdered at a young age. He abused me.He was a very physical man. I don’t do that to my children. We’ve had conversations because we both have kids. What I’ve learned is that if you just take the pain—because I’m big on the mindset, you know that—I put it in this mental toolbag I have. When the shit hits the fan, I go well, I remember when this happened to me, and I remember when this happened to me. All I do is I use it as a comparison. The shit that I’m dealing with right now isn’t that bad. Now overseas with war, I use that pain to numb what was going on currently. If you’re laying down, suppress a fire, you’ve got someone that you see underneath you who is bleeding out and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it, and I get emotional about it because you have to eliminate the threat before you can assess the situation, I’m literally taking care of the situation, remembering the pain I went through trying to take the pain from the current situation, and Ijust place it somewhere else. It’s helped me get through things.
Pain is a privilege. We’ve heard that again, I’m using someone else’s quote, butpressureis privilege. I work better under stress, under tension. I don’t want things to be easy. Case in point, let’s use the gym.When I go to the gym, I don’t want to talk to people in the gym. People think I’m the biggest dick in the gym.I put my headphones in. I either listen to podcast, and my podcasts I listen to, like if I were to listen to one of your lectures, everybody takes notes. I see them take notes.But when they’re taking notes, they’re not focusing on you. I take my phone, and I literally will say, man, I’m going to set this up here. I record every damn thing you say, and I sit there and I listen. I watch. I’m watching the passion and your body language. Then what I do is I hit stop, and then I listen to it over and over and over. Then what I do is I take notes from it. These are the things that I’m doing that are helping me succeed in the entrepreneurial world. I watch everybody, like you might be giving a lecture on medicine, and they’re trying to write down all your damn big fancy words that you talk about, which I can’t spell half of them—
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:10:29]
Neither can I,we’re good.
Ray Cash Care [0:10:31]
The focus is off you. All I do is just try to keep the focus. When I’m in, what I call, a normal situation, I try to focus so much more on you because when things go bad, and things always do go bad, at least in my life.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:10:45]
Can I stop you for a second?
Ray Cash Care [0:10:47]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:10:48]
What you’re saying is people always think about the fear responses fight or flight. But that’s actually only one fear response. Did you know that? That’s only one stress response. There’s actually something called tend-and-befriend and the courage response.Tend-and-befriendis when you go to solve a problem or help somebody else. It’s actually a response that triggers, for lack of a better term, bravery. It’s just is a biological process. When you are going to help somebody else or taking the onus off yourself and thinking about the other person, it allows you to be more capable. My question to you is when at 17, the switch flipped, was there an aha moment? Did you have a defining moment?
Ray Cash Care [0:11:36]
Yeah, I did, and it wasn’t like God came down and said anything to me. I remember it like it was yesterday, and you’re talking to a guy that can’t remember,blowing up a couple times, I forget a lot of things. But I was 17.I came home from a bar because that’s what we did,underage drinking back then. I remember sneaking in the housebecause we used to do that too; sorry, mom. I remember washing my face. I rememberat night, I would wash my face. I remember it was wintertime. As I’m washing my face, and I came up and I grabbed my towel, and I started dryingwith my towel, when I looked in the mirror, I didn’t see me. I saw the reflection of my father. Now my father, for the most part, was a good man. But he was a womanizer. He was an abuser. He did a lot of things. He loved me, but he was a very violent man. It was like I was seeing this out of body transformation that if I didn’t change what I was doing, I was going to become this person. He was an animal. Right then and there, that’s when I was like, okay. I wasdoing roofing, I was doing drugs, I was drinking, getting in fights. It was like right then and there where I was like, okay.
The symbolism of it is for the first 17 years, it was a horror story. I was letting other people write the narrative. Then right then and there, I was like, screw this. I’m going to start writing the narrative. I want this to be a happily ever after. I want to create and control because I’m a control freak. I’m going to control my destiny. I joined the military. I’ll tell you this right now, when it comes to taking tests, I’m not saying this, I am not the sharpest tool when it comes to taking tests. I’m more of a hands-on guy. You have to take this test, and I bombed it. But I wasn’t going to let that stop me.Everybody’s like, you’ll never become a SEAL. You need to have combined scores of mathematics and this and that. I was like, screw it. This is what I was destined to do. I have no quit.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:13:50]
No, you don’t. You said that this is what you were destined to do.Do you believe that?
Ray Cash Care [0:13:57]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:13:58]
Do you believe that your upbringing—again, you haven’t talked about details—wasso intense and tumultuous so that you could get through SEAL training, go to war, go into the CIA?
Ray Cash Care [0:14:10]
That pain is what sharpened my double-edged savage servant’s sword that gave me the tools I need; BUDS, basic underwater demolition.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:14:17]
Yes, I’ve never heard the end of winter hell week,ever.
Ray Cash Care [0:14:21]
I started with my class, and I finished with my class, which is very rare. But in the grand scheme of things, all that pain that I was going through, in my mind, it wasnumber one, I’m all about programming. You give me programs for what I need to do, and it’s easy. You just follow it to a tee from people who’ve been there and done that, and it will work. All I did was is I just programmed myself that number one, this is not a voluntary course.You can’t quit. Whenever shit hit the fan and it got bad,this is why I would just go back to the abuse and all the things that happened and getting locked up,and this is what made me who I am. I dealt with it better than other people, and I succeeded with it.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:15:06]
Do you think that if you let that go, you would still have the same strength and capacity to prioritize pain and move through pain? For example, what I mean is, do you feel like you hold on to that so that you can push forward?
Ray Cash Care [0:15:19]
Yes. It controlled chaos. I keep it. I keep it bottled up inside. Most people, what they do isthey have it in there. I control when it comes out. When things get hard, when I get backed up against the wall, that’s when I use it. But it’s taken a lot of time to learn how to control that because as a young man, I was very angry. When my father was murdered, even though, of the abuse, I still missed him, but I was angry. I never could understand why all this shit kept happening to me. Then when I turned 17,at least in my mind, and my mind is a little fucked up and warped, God or someone or something has been putting you through tests to get you ready for this momentbecause it hit me. It’s just one of these moments, like when I met my wife, I knew.There are only a few times in my life when I’ve known something. When I met my wife, I knew she was going to be my wife; I knew it. People were like, that’s luck. Call it whatever you want.I knew I was destined to be a Navy SEAL. I knew I was going to marry this woman. Now, I’m destined formaking an impact with everything I do, whoever I reach, whoever I touch, whoever Ishake hands with. I’m just shaking as many hands, meeting as many people as I can, making as big an impact as I can. I tell my story.I tell my story to everybody because I used to be ashamed of it.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:16:49]
When did that change?
Ray Cash Care [0:16:55]
I would say probably,because I’m a little older, in my 40s. I used to almost be ashamed of what happened to me. I’ve realized that there’s a lot of other men and women who have gone through a lot of the similar things that I havewho tell their story, some very well-known speakers and entrepreneurs. So me being me, I would just go up and ask them,hey, I have a similar background. Do you have a second that we can talk? It was almost like their answers were just programmed because it was the same answer from everybody. They’re like, you’ve got this amazing story to tell. Tell it. Don’t be ashamed of it. I was like,but I feel like if I do that, people will think–and everybody is going, who gives a fuck what they think? You tell your story. It’s like taking off that ruck. When I go on stage now and I speak, I have this ruck that I walk home with. I take the rock off, and I start pulling things out, alcohol, pornography, self-doubt. I’ll pull these things out. This is the weight I used to carry. Then what I do is I start putting things in there, eating better.I’m carrying the same weight, but I’m carrying what I want to carry versus—
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:18:09]
Ray Cash Care [0:18:10]
A lot of people would– it’s a little confusing at first, but then people, because I don’t say what I’m doing; I just take it out.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:18:16]
They’re wondering why you’re unpacking on stage.
Ray Cash Care [0:18:19]
Exactly. My thing is, everybody has a ruck that they’re carrying that’s full of shit of negativity, of pain, of suffering. All I’ve done with that pain is, ananalysis pack of ruck, there’s compartments. The pain is in one compartment, but all the bullshit, all the negativity, all the people that I don’t need my life anymore, I got them out of my ruck. Now I’m putting new things into my ruck, new relationships, new opportunities,and I love it.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:18:48]
What would you tell someone who has had maybe a similar experience, or let’s just saypain, to eliminate some of the negativity?
Ray Cash Care [0:19:02]
Numberone, depending on the severity of the pain, it’s not your fault. If you were abused in multiple ways,if you were physically, mentally, emotionally, socially, spiritually, or sexually abused, it’s not your fault. Number two, you’re not alone. Number three is your job, what I tell people what helps is telling that story.I have friends who have been molested. I’ve known women who have been sexually assaulted. They don’t want to tell their story. They’re embarrassed. But every single one of them, once they tell their story, and it doesn’t matter who you tell it to.You can create a little life group. You don’t have to get on giant stages like you. It’s when you just express it and you impact other people, it helps. I can’t even put a feeling or emotion on it, but it’s so rewarding.
I just spoke at an event for 250 people. Then I spoke at another event. I spoke with thousands, but I was at an event recently with David Webb, who’s like a political analyst, General Bolduc who ran Afghanistan. We had all these amazing people in here. I went up on stage. I had it planned.I had everything written out, it was perfect. As I got up there, I just looked around. I said,I was going to talk about politics, but Mr. Webb’s here who’s going to talk about this with all these people here. So I said, you know what I’m going to do? I’m going to do something I’ve never done before. I said, I’m just going to speak from the heart. Every single person in that room leaned forward. I did something that most men don’t want to hear, I used the V word, which was I became vulnerable. The one thing I’ve learned and I’m transitioning is vulnerability, especially for any man or woman, is a true characteristic of strength. Now I’m not saying I sit around with my wife, and we watch and cry in movies, no. But I’m saying, I’m vulnerable with myself and my feelings.
For the longest time, I didn’t tell Trish of my background because I was embarrassed. She had a similar background. I was going through life for about four years as a fucking hypocritebecause my wife opened up and was telling me the things that happened to her. I’m like, oh, my God, I feel so sorry for you when the same damn things happened to me, but I let my ego get in the way. I didn’t want to tell her. I was like, oh, my God, she’s going to think I’m less of a man. The day that I opened up to her, she cried, and I’m not going to lie, I did too.
But it was a release. It was a release of emotion, of uncertainty.There are so many words that was released for it,and I think it just helped build our trust on so many different levels. We’re both the same age, and she’ll kill me for saying that, and we’re better and stronger than we’ve ever been. I mean, physically, mentally, emotionally, I’m stronger than I’ve ever been. That’s a dangerous thing. That’s why I say I love getting older. There should be a bottle of wine here. As I get older, I get better. I am physically, mentally, emotionally in a better place than I was yesterday. Every day, it gets better.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:22:20]
But would you say that you have inherent positivity?
Ray Cash Care [0:22:25]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:22:26]
I’ve noticed this trait. I know. I don’t know if it’s a team guy trait or whatever it is, but there is this way where whatever it is that you want to think, you will be able to do it. You will be able to, for example, Shane, he just has to talk himself into it, and just like that, it’s the greatest thing.
Ray Cash Care [0:22:47]
What you need to understand is it’s the self-talk.For most people, the self-talk is self-sabotage. What most people do is they talk themselves off the ledge, or sometimes they talk themselves to the ledge.Off the ledge is people are like, I can’t do that. I can’t do that. It’s too high. It’s too high, no. As soon as I get to the ledge, I jump. What’s going to happen? Perfect example I tell people like with a business deal or asking someone out, it doesn’t matter. When I asked my wife out, I knew it was only going to be one of two things. It’s either going to be yes or no, but too many people let the self-doubt the self-sabotage get in the way. I can talk myself in anything. I think everybody has this capability. I actually think, and you’re going to laugh at me, people are scared to become successful. They are absolutely scared.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:23:51]
Both physically, Isee that as a physician.
Ray Cash Care [0:23:52]
I’ve seen people when they start getting in shape, they stop getting in shape. The transformation scares them. Why?
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:24:00]
It’s the worthiness.
Ray Cash Care [0:24:01]
Embrace it.Or I’ve seen people when they start making money, perfect example, I had a goal; I’m going to make a million dollars in a year, and I did it. Then everybody goes, what are you going to do now? Because most people, they’re like, well, I hit that number. It’s like, well, I found out being a millionaire is not a million dollars, it’s 2 million or 3 million. An advisor told me that, so I only went well, shit. Now I’ve got to find a way to make double or triple it. Versus other people, what they do as a mindset is once they hit their goal, once you get married, once you do anything, they think that’s when the work stops. No, that’s when the work starts.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:24:35]
Howdo you practice this? Do you have rituals? Do you have procedures?
Ray Cash Care [0:24:42]
I have procedures for everything. I get up. I’m like a machine. The first thing I do is I get up happy. I make myself get up happy. People are like, how do you do that? Well, I lay my clothes out the night before according to the mood that I’min at that time. Let’s say the power of goes off or whatever, and you wake up late, you’re just throwing shit together. You’re not prepared. I prepare for the storm, for the battle the day before.Like I told you, it’s all about being in control. I get up, I drink my water.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:25:12]
Ray Cash Care [0:25:14]
Really? Okay,we’re going to do that. All right. I drink my fufu coffee. I have my journal and stuff. I do some journaling, do a cold shower; it’s what I’m doing right now. Well, hopefully that’s going to change.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:25:29]
Yeah, hey, plunge.I keep calling you, man.
Ray Cash Care [0:25:33]
But everything I do is very systematic. I think the key to becoming successful is number one, saying that you’re a control freak doesn’t mean you’re a narcissist. It’s a good thing. I control what I eat, what I wear, who I surround myself with, and I control as much time as I can.Everything I do is prioritize, strategize, monetize. I live by those three things. Prioritize what’s important.For me right now, health is number one with me. You know that.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:26:03]
So you’re going to be on time with your blood work?
Ray Cash Care [0:26:06]
I’m doing it next week. I’ve already told Peter. I’m going to do it next week. Thank you for calling me out. But it has to be done. After that,I’m going to strategize my day.Every day, I make sure I spend time with my family, I’m getting it in. The one thing I don’t understand, and I know I’m talking toa very well-known doctor here, is the mindset of people that I deal with, because I do coaching and stuff, who don’t understand the importance of fitness or nutrition. I recently posted something wherea mutual friend of ours says he won’t hire anybody if they don’t have a sixpack, and I love that. But your body is your life resume. Your body is your resume. I’m going to let you in on a little secret.When Shane first met you,when I first met Trish, we weren’t attracted to your intellectuality.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:27:06]
No, he totally was. I’m kidding.
Ray Cash Care [0:27:09]
When I first saw mywife, her resume told me this is a disciplined woman who takes care of herself. Look at the way she dresses. From there, that’s where the work starts.Now I want to get to know her deeper, moreon the intellectual side. I do this with everything I do. It’s like fitness. I tell people this all the time. If you were out of shape, you wouldn’t be my doctor. People go, you can’t say that. Yes, I can. Yes, I can. If I were to hire a fitness coach, I’m going to hire somebody the way I want to look. People go, well,you can’t say that. Yes, I can. I don’t want to be around people that aren’t physically fit. Now, when I say this, there are if you’re sick, if you’re this. But when I say the sixpack, it’s the six-pack mentality. I know people that literally look like they’re 20 pounds overweight, but they’re in the gym every damn day. They’re doing the right things. They’re eating the right foods.They’re taking the right supplements. I have no problem with that. The problem I have is the people that sit back, and they’re body shaming people that are in shape,orthey’re digging on the people that put in the time and the effort, and they’re like quicksand.They just want to bring you down because they haven’t done it. So my thing is statistically, again, I’m talking to a very smart woman here, last time I checked,granted if something like cancer or something will come up, but the healthier you are, checking your levels, it tells you when the storm is coming.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:28:45]
The storm comes.When the storm comes, you got to prep for that.
Ray Cash Care [0:28:49]
But what happens, what I’ve noticed with probably 80% of America is they don’t do the blood work. They don’t put in the time. They don’t put in the work. Then they’re behind because you can’t catch it.You got to stay ahead of the storm.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:29:02]
I agree. Has fitness always been part of your life?Tell me a little bit.By the way, if you guys are listening to this and not seeing Ray Cash Care,which obviously we will post all about, you are in– by the way, we, Matthew is here with me, my videographer, you are the epitome of what I think of when I think of Forever Strong.
Ray Cash Care [0:29:22]
Thank you.It means a lot coming from you.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:29:24]
I hold you in very high regard.You are consistent. You have trained, and I’m asking you for the listener, but your whole life. You are strong and capable and your body has withstood war. You had to be capable to make fast decisions. I’m talking about real life. I’m not just talking about doing a whatever, deadlift, which you’re very strong at, but also being able to be physically capable.
Ray Cash Care [0:29:54]
The physical fitness came inwhen I was 13.I’m not a tall guy.Coming from you, I’m a giant.But I had to throw that in there.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:30:04]
You’reat least a foot taller than me.
Ray Cash Care [0:30:08]
But when I was 13, I just realized that everybody was bigger than me. But I always had this aggressive personality. I was always very intense, and I had to find a way to channel it because I was getting in a lot of trouble. There was a guy, when I was in, I think, eighth or ninth grade, he was three or four years older me in school named Rob. He was like, dude, you are built to be a wrestler andto work out.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:30:37]
By the way, what were your quals in the teams?Were you a breacher?
Ray Cash Care [0:30:41]
I was nota breacher. Mainly, I was a jumpmaster and SDV dive sup,so I did that. Yeah.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:30:47]
Sorry, I didn’t want to interrupt, but you are definitely built like a breacher.Won’t you agree?
Ray Cash Care [0:30:53]
I guess. I mean, I’m built like me. I’m awesome.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:30:56]
Dude, you are awesome. But you’re so built like a breacher. By the way, do you get stressed out?
Ray Cash Care [0:31:01]
Of course I do.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:31:02]
When we define stress, we think about you didn’t get your coffee creamer. I can’t let that go. But a guy like you has seen some of the worst things in the world. This is true, taking out the trash of whatever. Do you really get stressed?
Ray Cash Care [0:31:24]
It’s trivial, bullshit stress like my wife says. Trish is my anchor.Obviouslyfor the listeners, Trish is my wife. She’s the one that keeps me grounded. Every person that is successful, especially as a team guy, they have a wife who keeps them in check 100% of the time. I stress when I’m not producing to what I feel is my maximum capacity. I only have one speed. I don’t believe in throttling up. I believe in just giving it everything you have every damn second of the day. We have mutual friends who I’ve worked for before,but people always ask me, what’s your biggest trait that you have in a good way, and what’s your biggest downfall?It’s the same thing:it’s me.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:32:12]
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That is so powerful.
Ray Cash Care [0:34:51]
It is. I know I’m not going to bring him up again, but our mutual friend, I’ve gotto say this, this is probably one of the most impactful things that has ever happened to me in probably the last 10 years. I was at an event with Tim Grover. I’m sorry, I’m not name dropping, I love him. Buthe met me, and he goes, you are just literally intense, insane. I love it. You’re a younger version of me. He goes, let me ask you a question. When Mr. Grover asks, it’s yes, sir. He goes, tell me the one thing that you’re running from and the one thing that you’re chasing. He goes, I don’t want you to answer me right now. I want you to think about it.Once you come back, I want you to write it down on a piece of paper and give it to me. I wrote it down, and I gave it to him. He didn’t look at it. He goes,it’s yourself, isn’t it? I’m getting emotional. I was like, yeah. He’s like, you’re me. Coming from him, I mean, I’m getting emotional. It was impactful. He was like, just keep running from that old person and keep running to the person that you knowyou can be.
But that’s why I get so stressed and I get so pissed off because I’m never going to catch him. I’m never going to catch him. Oh, my God, I’m just thinking of all the stuff. Fuck, Mr. Grover.But that he knew.He knew.He just grabbed it and put it in his hand. He goes, it’s you, isn’t it?I got goosebumps. I was like, no one. He’s like, I’ve been there. He goes, every single human being I’ve met like you, and you’re a rare breed, it’s the same answer. It’s in your DNA. I was like, what do I do? He says, just keep going forward. I’m not letting back. I’m not apologizing for what I’m becoming.
Success is a funny word for me. People like to define success for the cars and the money. I think success, my definition is helping others help themselves. The only way that you can really do that, Doc, is when you got your shit dialed in. I’m really starting to get my shit dialed in, so I’m expanding with helping others. In the last year, I’ve gained some success from a monetary standpoint, too, which is great.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:37:10]
Ray Cash Care [0:37:11]
Damn right, it is. I think a lot of what I do is the back end, I have to give my wife props because she’s the one that makes all this happen and controls everything. But I’m changing. People say, you’re changing.I’m not changing, I’m evolving. I’m outgrowing some people. I’m taking out the trash, man. That’s the best piece of advice I can give you. If someone in your life, if something, if some place, emotional discipline 2.0,if something puts you– we live in three colors as humans; the blue where we disassociate, the green where we want to be, andthe red is what red lines is.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:37:48]
What doesthat mean? Tell me what that means.
Ray Cash Care [0:37:50]
Case in point, you and I are a married couple, andI’m screaming at you all the time. I’m going to disassociate where you just block it out; pain from the past, things that really pissed me off.Let me tell you what puts me in the red. This is a drill that you can do that I teach. You probably get a thousand phone calls a day. You agree? The peoples that you pick up for are the people that you want in your life. The people that you don’t, you don’t need them in your life. Why are they calling you?Normally, because they want something from you. I’ve called you before to say hey, I just want to check in on you, and your like, hey, I’ve got 20 clients. I’m like, nope, I don’t want anything. I just want—
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:38:39]
But do I pick up?
Ray Cash Care [0:38:39]
You do pick up. That’s the thing. That’s nice, but that’s what I do. Keep the people in your life. If you have to simplify it, that if they were to call you, you’re going to pick up.The people that don’t, you don’t need them. You don’t need them. That’s how I make things that, and people are like, it can’t be that easy. Yes, it can. My wife calls, I pick up.My daughter calls, I pick up.A few other people call, I probably got about 10 people that I will pick up with no matter where I am, maybe I’ll pick up.But the rest of them, that’s how I trim the fat.Too many people in life that aren’t where they want to be physically, mentally, emotionally, or because they’re carrying that ruck of just negativity, it bleeds into your physical appearance, your emotional state, your mental capacity. As I started lightening up that load and putting in what I wanted,the money comes in. I’m in better shape than I’ve been. I’m training with people. I mean, you’re talking to the guy that calls out Michael Chandler and Tim Kennedy and go, I’m going to train with you guys.And they kill me. They call me the cockweed; half cockroach, half garden weed.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:39:51]
Oh my God, that’s hilarious.
Ray Cash Care [0:39:54]
I won’t die. But Tim will poke me with a stick, and I lay there, and I go like this. But because they forget my age, and I’m like, It’s not my age. I told you before. I’m late to the game, but I’m a fast learner. If you’re not constantly pushing yourself to the limits, Iwant to be in the red. But I want to hit it and then switch gears like, oh my god, a great workout. All these things that I’m doing, I’m controlling the red.I am creating the red.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:40:26]
You’re probably not the type of person that is good with a day off.
Ray Cash Care [0:40:30]
No, not at all.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:40:33]
Okay, got it.
Ray Cash Care [0:40:34]
Active recovery is the correct term.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:40:34]
I’m not talking about fitness.
Ray Cash Care [0:40:39]
Active recovery with everything I do.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:40:42]
Vacation is probably not a good place for you.
Ray Cash Care [0:40:43]
No, and when I go on vacation, like Trish and I will get up and work out in the morning, I’m up at 4:00 getting work done. Then me and her will go to the gym at 6:00 or 6:30. We have our coffee.We’ll do whatever. We have our alone time at night, and then I’ll be back on it. I can’t stop.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:40:56]
When you transitioned from the CIA, how was that? Did you do contracts?
Ray Cash Care [0:41:06]
I was contracting through the CIA, and then when I left that, I went over with Bedros.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:41:11]
The transition from CIA to the entrepreneurial world, was that challenging?
Ray Cash Care [0:41:19]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:41:20]
Ray Cash Care [0:41:22]
Because in battle, you know who your enemies are.In the entrepreneur world, they’ll sit there, they’ll smile at you. They say they got your back. They’ll cheer you on, but they’re cheering you because what they’re really doing is they’re waiting. They’re waiting for you to fall. They’re waiting for you to fumble, and they want to see what you’re going to do.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:41:39]
Have you had to take in a new mental framework from the CIA, transitioning to the entrepreneurial world, were there new lessonsand new things that you had to implement?
Ray Cash Care [0:41:54]
I haveto be more strategicin the entrepreneurial world than I did in battle. I know that sounds crazy. I know a lot of guys who would be like, I can’t believe you said that. But entrepreneurial world has so many levels, so many layers.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:42:11]
It’s like the battlefield of the mind, isn’t it?
Ray Cash Care [0:42:14]
It is the battlefield of the mind, and it’s exhausting. It’s exhausting. Case in point, you go overseas, you’reoutgunned, overmanned, you get in a firefight, we come home. In business,one day you can be up six figure, seven figures,the next day, you’re broke. It’s almost the same thing as battle. I don’t think there’s any other thing I could have transitioned into from SEAL teams to CIA unless I was an entrepreneur. I don’t think there’s anything else because it’s almost that same thrill, the same fear, animosity, chaos, these are things that I thrive off of.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:42:57]
This isincredible. Think about what you’re saying and how that’s going to impact the entrepreneur who’s listening, maybe the younger entrepreneur, thinking that this is so hard, they can’t do it.
Ray Cash Care [0:43:08]
Well, it’s supposed to be hard.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:43:09]
See? You’re empowering the entrepreneur, and you’re empowering people to think outside the box. It can be a 9-to-5 job, but it doesn’t have to.If you have dreams and a vision, you can move the needle, and it’s going to be just as hard, a battle but in a different way.
Ray Cash Care [0:43:25]
There’s a process. Right before this, I was talking to your husband, Shane. He was like,I’m working 80 to 100 hours a week. I was like, holy shit.He goes, for the next four or five years. Holy shit.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:43:36]
He didn’t complain a second.
Ray Cash Care [0:43:37]
Not a second; he loves it. He loves it. He got three hours of sleep. I’m like, holy shit. But since everything has a process, you don’t have to like the process. Like the process of the gym, sometimes, I know you’re going to laugh, I hate going to the gym. But you know what I do? I get up every damn day and do it.My mindset is this: every day I don’t go to the gym, I take time off my life. Every day I go to the gym, I’m adding a second to my life. Every day I don’t, I’m taking five minutes off my life. People are like, well, that’s not an even equation. I don’t care. That’s what it takes to get me up every day, and I do it. Now there’s days that I love to go to the gym, but I’m not going to sit here and bullshit you and say every day that, oh, let’s do this. You didn’t get to where you’re at without a lot of hard damn work, and I guaran-damn-tee, there are days where I don’t want to get up.But as an entrepreneur, which they say the definition is a risk taker,every single person on planet Earth is a risk taker.Every night you go to bed, there’s a chance you may not wake up. The question is, did you live your day to the fullest? Do you have your day planned out for tomorrow, for the next day? Every night, I go to bed I go, I did it. I did it. I accomplished, and I set macro goals. The problem with people and the reason why they don’t become successful is they have unrealistic expectations, unrealistic goals, and unrealistic timeframe. I’m going to become a doctor in a year. Is that going to happen?
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:45:07]
I don’t think anyone says that particular thing, but yes.
Ray Cash Care [0:45:09]
But I’m giving you–yeah. Or I’m going to become rich. I’ve heard people where they’re like, well, you can win the lottery. That’s not a process. That’s called luck. That’s called justfate. It happened. What do most people do when they win the lottery?They blow all their money, versus the man or woman that’s out there grinding, putting in the time and the effort and the hours. We were talking about buying a new house. I can afford it, but you’re like, don’t do it. Don’t do it. It’s about creating that generational wealth, that generational impact and making a difference,and I’m not going to stop.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:45:45]
Where do you see yourself going? I’m sure that there’s fluidity. What is the ultimate dream?
Ray Cash Care [0:45:53]
I say this to everybody, world domination.People laugh at me.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:45:58]
Be a little more specific.
Ray Cash Care[0:45:59]
I will, meaning thatthe programs that I’m running, my goal for the next five years is to be on every major stage with every major person that there is, to the point where they’re coming on my stage. Because right now, my stage is fitness and a little bit of speaking. That’s my main stage.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:46:16]
By the way, one of the reasons why I wanted you on the show is because fitness is amazing. You’re so fit.You embrace getting older. To hear the mindset shift around that, there’s a tremendous story and human that is very charismaticand—I am going to embarrass you—super openhearted and big hearted. Are you embarrassed?
Ray Cash Care [0:46:43]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:46:44]
I mean, well, I’m trying to, so I better kick it up a notch.
Ray Cash Care [0:46:47]
People ask me,why are you so fit? Number one, being fit is a privilege. It should be a right that everybody has.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:46:59]
Yeah, but you just avoided the statement about the open heartedness. That’s the part. I don’t care how hard you are on the outside and how tough you are.
Ray Cash Care [0:47:07]
I know. It’s called avoidance.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:47:08]
Yeah, I know. See, these CIA operators have nothing on me. Mama to kids, I got it. What is so interesting is that you’re so strong and capable yet typically, when someone thinks of a warriorand the background and the life that you have lived, they think of someone who has, I don’t know, just a dark heart, dark ways about them.Is this true?
Ray Cash Care [0:47:33]
I think that’s what people’s perception is, but that’s not what mine is. Well, my heart was dark for too long.Trish calls me the Grinch, like the Grinch’s heartwhich just grew, I went through most of my life thinking that my purpose was to hurt people. Now, I woke up.The heart grew, and it’s to help people.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:47:57]
Was there a moment? Maybe overseas?
Ray Cash Care [0:48:00]
Yeah,there was a moment overseas.I told you that story about being overtop of someoneand they’re bleeding out, and I couldn’t save them.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:48:08]
There’s always that moment. And now?
Ray Cash Care [0:48:14]
I couldn’t put the rounds down fast enough. We didn’t have the supportwe needed fast enough. Medical attention I had wasn’t enough.It just wasn’t his day. That’s when I stopped working for the agency. I didn’t have what I needed. I don’t know if the almighty could have come down and done it. I mean,there was too many holes in him. We’ll leave it at that. But in my mind is I can save him. I can get off the X. I can drag him over here. I could do this with two other guys, and I couldn’t. I mean, we got him home, but he never really went home. That’s when I said enough is enough. I wanted to stop. That’s where I hung up the cleats, the battle cleats, I call them, which I’d happily put on if I need to go back. But then I said there’s got to be a way that I can make a difference without hurting people and losing people. That’s when I took my turn at the entrepreneur world and working with kids and working with just all the things that have affected me in my life, all the things that hurt me and injured me and tore me apart.
My marriage hasn’t always been where it is. There was a time when Trish was going to leave me, and I can’t believe she did. I mean, I’ve got the best wife on planet Earth, and you guys are great friends.Now I’ve just focused my life, my mission, my life’s work is helping people. I want to work with young men who don’t have a male role model in their life. Wow, sounds like me. I want to work with couples who are struggling, but they’re also entrepreneurs; that happened to me. I want to work with corporate trainingcompanies because they’re just programmed wrong; happened to me. So all I’m doing is helping people. I mean, I have probably the best life I’ve ever lived right now because I’m doing what I love. I’m getting paid for it. The ROI isn’t the money, it’s happiness. Ilove it.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:50:34]
Do you feel worthy of it?
Ray Cash Care [0:50:37]
At times, and a lot of times, I don’t. Sometimes I think it’s too good to be true. I’m hard on myself. I blame myself for people that I couldn’t bring back. I still blame myself for my childhood, even though I know it’s not my fault. I mean, there’s no fucking counselor that can tell me how I feel, what to think. There’s no bottle that I can crawl into that’s going to give me the answers. There’s no pain pill that I can take.You’re talking to a guy that wasaddicted to some pain pills, which you never even knew of when I was younger in the agency. I had to dump them out. I am known for being the push-up guy. I do 1,000 push-ups a day. But no one knows why. Because every time I want to take a drink, every time I want to take a pill, every time I want to look at pornography, every time I want to do all the things that used to cripple me, I had a very wise man who was my pastor, he said drop down.Just do a bunch of push-ups. I said, well, how many? He goes, if you get up and you still want to do it, do more. So I do 1,000 push-ups a day. I’ve already done 800 before I got here this morning. But you know what I don’t do? I don’t do any of those things anymore, and it helps. But that’s what works for me. Some people may go, I can’t do 1,000 push-ups a day.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:51:57]
But this is a tool.You’re saying, use your physical body if you recognize things that don’t serve you, if you do habits or have addictions or needs that don’t serve you, do something physical.
Ray Cash Care [0:52:11]
I’m saying that nothing else worked for me. I have a hard time sitting across from someone who hasn’t gone through what I’ve gone throughand them telling me what I should do. I have a real problem with that. I have a real problem with society telling me their thoughts on battle and war when they’ve never been to battle or war, and they’ve never been overseas. I have lots of problems with things where people like tojust–reading it through books isn’t experiencing it in life. Trish and I went to a marriage counselor once. The guy wasn’t married, didn’t have kids, was young. Are you kidding me? That was the one thing that Trish and I agreed on, so we found a counselor who had been married, been divorced, or back with his wife who was older who had kids. I can resonate with that.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:52:52]
You do couples.Our dear friend,Matt Schneider,who,by the way, has stepped up for me in a way that nobody else has. He has come in and helped me; it’s just incredible. He’s been on the podcast. So you do a couples coaching, you also do business coaching, corporate coaching. What is the most common thread of what people get wrong? Is there a fundamental– for example, let me ask you this.In the CIA, do they teach you how to read people?
Ray Cash Care [0:53:31]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:53:34]
I guess there’s a few questions here. Is there a common trait that those people who are really struggling to succeed, do they have just a common trait?
Ray Cash Care [0:53:45]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:53:46]
Okay, fine, start with that. Tell me.
Ray Cash Care [0:53:49]
For the couples?
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:53:51]
It could be couples, it could be a person. Is there a unifying challenge? You have people that are probably sitting across from you, and you got their number right away.
Ray Cash Care [0:54:01]
A lot of what I see, it’s a lack of trust. But when I say that with the couple’s thing, it’s not trusting their partner, it’s lack of trusting themselves. A lot of people have a lot of vices, and they don’t want to address it. Case in point, one of the first things I say is listen, if you’re a freak, okay, got it. Freak doesn’t meancrazy shit. It just means if you have some weird tendencies, but if you want to continue to do them, you have to let your spouse know what they are.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:54:35]
So you’re not talking about mixing ketchup with your eggs?
Ray Cash Care [0:54:39]
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:54:41]
Like the things that are touching on the plate.
Ray Cash Care [0:54:42]
No, what I’m talking about is a lot of people, it’s just like when I go to corporate business, the problem is always the same. It’s always the same. It’s just on a different platform. Just like when I talk to people, it’s lack of trust, last lack of this, lack of that, it always stems from something from the past, which is pain. So the first thing I do is try to say, hey, have you gone through shit? And they’re like, well, I don’t want to talk about it. Well, let me tell you what I’ve gone through. Then people go, well, I can’t believe you’re so open with that. I always wasn’t. But I will tell you that the more open you are with anything that you’ve experienced in life, or the more open you are with your spouse, the quicker you are to be able to resolve them, or part ways because there is no resolution. When I do that, and we do this, it’s so much more involvedbecause it’s more of we go another layer deeper.
I do this with Matt. Matt’s amazing at what he does. But two years ago, I couldn’t. I would have been a hypocrite if I would have been teaching this. First thing Matt said was, listen, I need to know how are you and Trish?We’re fantastic right now.We’re doing this, date your wife,all the rules that you know of.Me and Trish have been married 18 years; we’re going on 20, November 3rd, of knowing her,meaning, today I met her.But it’s like, we’re better than we’ve ever been. He’s like, okay. Tell me when it wasn’t bad. Tell me what you guys were going through. That was a hard talk with Matt. Matt was my business coach and my peer, and we worked together for years. He’s like, are youdoing that sharingmore? I’m like, no. No, I’m not.He thought about it, and then was like, I want to bring you on. I’m like, okay.But there’s a standard,and I don’t meet it, I exceed this standard. I want to be a better father. I want to be a better husband. The only way that I can do that is surround myself with people who are like minded. I need that. I have to feed off other people.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:56:41]
You’re very much a team player.
Ray Cash Care [0:56:44]
I’ve been told that actually is a kryptonite of mine.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:56:49]
What does that mean, a kryptonite?
Ray Cash Care [0:56:51]
It’s a weakness. I have so many people in the industry that have the same title that I had, the CEO, andthey’re entrepreneurs. They make it all about them.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:57:02]
Do they have a t-shirtcompany? Oh, you do.
Ray Cash Care [0:57:06]
I honestly believe that team, trust, effort, attitude, mission, that’s the key to success just like teamwork, problem solving, leadership, and communication. I keep it simple stupid. Everybody makes things hard, Doc. I just try to simplify shit. When people are like, it can’t be that easy. Well, it worked for me. Now, it may not work for you, but take what I’ve learned. I can’t sit here and I can’t get up on stage and talk about shit that’s not true. I’m not going to do it.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:57:36]
As a very redeeming quality of yours, I would like to say that you don’t have a filter, but we’re not going to say that.
Ray Cash Care [0:57:45]
My filter is getting better.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon[0:57:46]
I’m totally kidding.You have a barometer for truth. You feel a certain way, you say it.
Ray Cash Care [0:57:53]
I think more people need to do that. As a society, we’re walking around on eggshells. I told you, and I’m going to say this right now. It’s only a matter of time before someone sues and someone wins for blinking at someone the wrong way. It started with the McDonald’s coffee. Next thing you know, a burglar broke into a house and fell through the roof. He sued them, and these people won.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [0:58:16]
They didn’t live in Texas though, did they?
Ray Cash Care [0:58:18]
No, it wasn’t Texas.The ecosystem is so fragile right now. Fitness is being thrown out the window.People that are in shape are almost being stereotyped as being horrible because they put in work.Listen, you want to be heavysetand run a magazine, great.Victoria’s Secret models, we grew up on that.They were the epitome of what a woman should look like.Now, it’sa woman that’s 170, 580 pounds. I’m not saying there’s not women or people that are attractive overweight. I’m just saying, I’m not attracted to that. I’m attracted to the discipline that it takes to look the way you look. Matthew is in shape.I take care of myself. That’s what I’m attracted to. I don’t know where we got off course. It’s likethis meteor is coming at us, andwe were on projectile. We were doing great, and then all of a sudden, somethingbumped it and said, no, we’ve gotto go this way.
I try not to get into politics. I try not to talk too much about religion. The one thing I do know is that I hate seeing the world the way it is right now. Everybody’s so enabled. That’s why I’m getting up on these platforms, andI’m telling people.I said that in an event recently.As I look around the room, I see about 30 people that are overweight. I have no problem with that if you’re in the gym every day.But if you’re not, I’m just letting you know that your body is your resume. People get angry with that.The people that get angry about that are the people that aren’t putting in the work. I had one lady that goes, listen, I go to the gym five days a week, and this is how I look. I said I absolutely love you. You’re the sexiest woman in here because she had the balls to stand up and say that in front of a room ofa couple hundred people. I love that.That is the mindset that I want. This is what God gave me. Okay.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [1:00:12]
Number one, Iget the sense of where you feel that the world is going. What is the intervention going to be? I absolutely love the idea that we can take back our bodies, that we can be fit and we can be strong, and the outcome is the outcome. What do you think is the way to get us there? You might not have the answer, or maybe some Cocomelon.
Ray Cash Care [1:00:40]
I think more people just need to lead by example. I don’t know.I’ve been asked that question. Usually, America comes together when something catastrophic happens. I’m hoping that’s not the case. The only way I could see that is if some new form of disease came out where if you were overweight, you were passing away. I mean, I don’t want that to happen. I just want America to wake up. I know you hear it, too. I don’t have time, or I don’t have money to work out.Bullshit.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [1:01:12]
Then you better be ready for the time sickness days.
Ray Cash Care [1:01:16]
My role in my family, I always say this to men, if someone were to break in your house tonight, if Shane is home, where are you? Are you in front of him, beside him, or behind him? You’re probably with the kids behind him as he’s going to go take care of something. What I’m worried about in society is there’s nobody to protect. Men are weaker than they were 10 years ago. I’m not making this up. I know probably more women who are stronger than men now that I’ve metin my role or whatever this is, this tour that I’ve been on, where there are more women at these events than there are men. All these women are fit, and they’re stepping up, and I think that’s great. But I’m just asking, guys, what happened?
Your husband’s in shape, and he works 100 hours a week. I get it done; I’m always on the road. I’m working out.You can find time.Too many people, they make excuses. You can’t be a problem maker. You have to be a problem solver. Drop down 200 push-ups a day, 200 air squats. Do a Tabata, which is a four-minute exercise.It doesn’t take much to get you in shape. Talk to subject matter experts.Find out what’s wrong with your body. I had a lot of things that were wrong with me. I was doing it wrong for the longest time. That’s why I’m never fucking leaving you. I’m sorry. Even though you threaten to leave me, I won’t leave.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [1:02:52]
Well, if you don’t get those test results done, then–
Ray Cash Care [1:02:55]
We will. ButI don’t know what it’s going to take. But all I do know is historically, it’s going to take something catastrophic. I hope that’s not the case.I hope enough people are listening to this message, and they understand that I’m not being insulting. This is a heartfelt message to look in the mirror and get in shape. Fitness isn’t just how you look—this is what you told me—it’s how you feel. I mean, I get up and I’m still sore. It’s impossible to have no aches and pains. But it’s the overall mentality that I have where I’m blessed. I have my fitness. I’m still running and gunning with the best of them, not overseas but in the gym. I’m happy. I owe a lot of that to you because when I first met you, I wasn’t in the same mindset that I was now.When I met you, I was still kicking in doors and doing things. That’s a part of my life that I’m proud I did just like being a Navy SEAL. But people always asked me, what’s the most impactful thing that you’ve done?Minus my wife and kids, I don’t know yet. There’s so much more. I’ve so many more pages. I can’t stand the guys that were–I get it. You’re a Navy SEAL. But what are you now? What are you doing now? What are you doing tomorrow? I’m not Al Bundy. I’m not going to keep living in the past. I used to do that too much. I won’t do that anymore.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [1:04:15]
Well, I think that everybody should give you a follow, listen to you. Where can people find you?
Ray Cash Care [1:04:24]
Yes, ma’am. Two of my main platforms will be my website, raycashcare.com or IG, @raycashcare. I tell every single person, if you have a question about physical, mental, and emotional stability or just a question that’s a wellthought out question, I will answer every DM.If it’s a dumb question, you’re going to get blocked.
Dr. Gabrielle Lyon [1:04:48]
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